Are the following situations confounding the ERG measurement, and if yes, in which manner:
If these are confounding variables, have they been excluded from your study?
Several confounders may change the ERG results, such as inherited retinal disease, diabetic retinopathy (DR), or hypertension. This is one of the issues that need to be resolved by differential diagnosis. The predictive ability will improve with adding more information to the diagnostics.
Although several confounding factors such as DR, AMD, and hypertension may change ERGs, the ERG result is relatively independent of media opacities. Unlike imaging devices, the cataract condition and other media opacities do not modify the implicit time of the ERG, making it a reliable tool for the application in older people.
Only very high refractive error is changing the amplitude, but the implicit time – which had been the key parameter in our research remains unaffected. We tested all patients without the glasses.
Changes in the b-wave amplitude (scotopic conditions) have been reported in subjects after drug administration (e.g., single doses of different dopamine agonists and antagonists). Thus, it has been suggested that electroretinograms can be employed to evaluate the effects on retinal dopaminergic activity induced by these drugs. A plausible hypothesis is that the drug-induced or disease (e.g., parkinsonism) alterations in the retina are responsible for these ERG b-wave changes. Both enhanced or lower stimulus intensities and delayed time response (photopic conditions) have been reported in animal models (e.g., frog, mice, rabbits). In general, electroretinogram deficits have been found in multiple studies recruiting subjects with comorbidities and under the effect of medication due to their aging or chronic conditions.
Our study excluded subjects with brain damage (trauma, stroke, etc.), current abuse of substances, psychiatric disorders/psychotropic therapy, vascular dementia, or current abuse of substances. We also excluded individuals with diabetic retinopathy or any other significant ophthalmologic comorbidities (hypertensive retinopathy, retinal vascular occlusive disease, unusually high refractive errors, retinal artery occlusion, anterior ischemic optic neuropathy, glaucoma, wet (neovascular) age-related macular degeneration, large cataracts, substantial media opacity or corneal disease that may prevent good visualization of the retinal fundus, history of intravitreal injections, intraocular surgery within six months, and macular edema)
Would you expect that the ERG (or other tested variables from your study) do change under treatment? If yes, which tests, and how would the improvement look like?
Our research addresses first the identification of the problem, which is as of today a real problem. It depends on the type of treatment if you receive a result or not. Many medications do not improve the situation, but most likely delay the progression. It is not clear whether any type of treatment is changing the ERG results. This is subject to further research.
Which test protocols did you include in your research and have you analyzed other test protocols but excluded them from further research? What type of electrodes did you use?
For this study we used the light-adapted flicker est protocols inbuilt in the device. In our early research we also used dark-adapted tests, but it is very stressful for the older patients in a dark room for 20 minutes. As we are looking for a concept that might be later on easily adoptable in the daily clinical work, we decided to rely on light-adapted tests. In our most recent research, we are also adding the Photopic negative response, which is a light-adapted test protocol as well, but the results are not yet ready. However, we did not include other possible tests such as On-Off protocols.
How long did the different tests take?
The RETeval Test took only about 5 minutes and was easy and convenient to use. The contrast sensitivity (Rabin Cone Contrast test) test took 5-6 minutes to complete and the retinal imaging another 5-10 minutes, depending on the subject’s cooperation. While the total patient visit time was about 45 minutes to one hour depending on the time needed for the hospital registration procedure, the multimodal test lasts about 15-20 minutes on average.
Do you think that the ERG has the ability to differentiate between different types of dementia such as alcoholic dementia or ischemic dementia?
Dementia is a very general term. The causes of dementia can vary. The differential diagnosis between these different types is still subject to research in general. The investigations do not yet have revealed an explicit differential parameter for each causation of dementia, but the combination of structural and functional data will help guide the differential diagnosis. In the future, I assume that the RETeval or ERGs (in general) customized protocols and structural information will provide you with the ability to differentiate between the different types of dementia.
For which of the following indications do you think that the ERG is valuable?
In what other neuropsychiatric conditions may the ERG apply to?
Electrophysiology has been used in several psychiatric disorders. Some publications have been done on depressive and bipolar disorders, as well as schizophrenia and autism. We have not researched Parkinson’s disease, so it is unclear how the ERG (or vascularity parameters) is affected by Parkinson’s. We also have not done any research on Multiple Sclerosis, but there is some literature available that the light-adapted PhNR, as well as dark-adapted flash test, can be supportive in Multiple Sclerosis and optic neuritis resulting from MS
(https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2188301, https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2125859)
A recent review could provide more information related to this question: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-psychiatry/article/electroretinography-in-psychiatry-a-systematic-literature-review/FC06F0D4BAA1883B7B69F8240CD48737
Another manuscript that could be of interest in subjects with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder that could develop a mental disorder or related symptoms could be found in this link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178120308404
Which test do you use for contrast sensitivity?
The severity of color vision deficiency was tested using a tablet-based Cone Contrast Test unit (CCT, Provideo CCT Plus System, Innova Systems Inc., Burr Ridge,IL, United States). Further descriptions about this test can be found in Rabin, J., Gooch, J., and Ivan, D. (2011). Rapid quantification of color vision: the cone contrast test. Invest Ophthalmol. Vis. Sci. 52, 816–820.
Is there any explanation on why the contrast sensitivity is increased in Alzheimer Disease Patients?
This question, as pointed out, is not clear at all. I am afraid the question is related to the fact that we need to enhance contrast in the environment where AD people live. So, here is the answer based on this assumption:
Researchers have shown that contrast sensitivity deficits result from damage to the brain rather than damage to the retina in the eye or the optic nerve. Specifically, the neuropathological hallmarks of AD (i.e., the presence of senile amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles) have been identified in higher-order visual areas of the brain, including regions within the occipital lobes (extra-striate visual cortex), parietal lobes (posterior regions), and temporal lobes (inferior areas).
Individuals with AD have more difficulty finding objects in their visual field, especially when they relate to contrast. The smaller the contrast difference (e.g., a scene that changes from black to gray or when pouring black coffee into a black mug), the less likely the individual with AD will be able to find it. This is why it is recommended to enhance contrast in an individual’s everyday environment with AD.
Which tests are included in the model 5 of the ROC Analysis from your paper?
The Model 5 of our ROC analysis includes the multifractal generalized dimensions, the lacunarity parameter, singularity exponents and the implicit time of the ERG.
What is the consequence of the reduced vascularity? Does the reduced vascularity only affect green color vision? Is there any theory on why green color vision (M-cones) are more affected in Alzheimer Disease?
The vascularity does not only change in the eye but in all parts of the body, especially in the brain. This reduced vascularity will lead to a disbalanced oxygen/nutritions supply in all parts and thus leading to decrease of cognitive abilities. In particular, this reduction of blood flow efficiency and impairment in circulatory transport is due to a reduction from optimal vascular network architecture.
In our studies, we found more patients with more green deficiency than red or blue deficiency. However, more research is needed to elucidate whether the reduced vascularity is only affecting green color vision. Interestingly, it has been reported that individuals with cognitive deterioration due to AD struggle discriminating between green and blue stimuli on the Stroop test which relies on a cognitive measure that requires intact color vision (Cohen et al., 1988; Fisher et al., 1990). These results add to the evidence that extrastriate lesions could result in tritanomalous color deficits (Meadows, 1974; Pearlman et al., 1979), and that the extrastriate cortex is severely disturbed neuropathologically in AD (Lewis et al., 1987). Therefore, pathological changes due to cognitive decline observed in the striate area (IVcß) of the brain that receives color information from the lateral geniculate nucleus, suggest additional basis for deficits in color vision in the brain as described in our studies (Beach and McGeer, 1988).
It might be hypothesized that the M-cones are the most demanding cells and thus suffering first from changes. However, most of the findings in Alzheimer’s are still subject to more research and need to be confirmed in different studies.
Also, the differences in the preferential damage of parvocellular pathway (P-cells) versus magnocellular pathway (M-cells) could explain dissimilarities between different neurodegenerative diseases like AD, PD, etc. at the clinical and retinal level. Axons from M-cells (with cell bodies situated in peripheral macula and retina) are in the superior, nasal, and inferior regions around the optic nerve (where the RNFL is measured). On the other side, P-cells predominate in the central macular area (where the macular GCC is measured), their axons project to the temporal portion of the RNFL, and they are highly related to color discrimination, visual acuity, central visual field sensitivity, and contrast sensitivity for high spatial frequencies. The M-cells relay information about achromatic vision, motion detection, peripheral visual field sensitivity, and contrast sensitivity for low spatial frequencies. Interestingly, the involvement of the magnocellular stream of visual processing is significant because the cell loss and predominant deposition of amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles occur in the primary visual cortex of AD individuals with a prevalence in the M-pathway. A study from Sadun et al., 1990 showed that the optic nerve showed predominant loss of the largest class of retinal ganglion cells (M-cells). Sartucci et al. 2010 also hypothesized that AD involves a deficit in the M-pathway. However, the hypothesis of a preferential injury of P-cells or M-cells in AD is still unproven, but it may be related to predominant damage of optic nerve axons in AD (like those from M-cells). Of note, the M pathway is considered to have a greater influence in the peripheral retina, where the drusen-like features or hyperintense spots have been mostly observed in AD. Also, the M system is very sensitive to low spatial frequency stimuli, and people with Alzheimer’s have difficulty perceiving low spatial frequencies.
Does the FD change with the age, or is it determined in the beginning and then considered as a risk factor?
The FD will capture the morphology of the structure as we age. There is a decreasing trend of the fractal dimension associated with aging, and this is one of the reasons why we used age-matched subjects in our pilot study, see this link for more info: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20472327/).
A longitudinal study with a baseline measurement will benefit by tracking changes over the years to also obtain risk measures.
What type of Drusen are related with Alzheimer and how to differentiate them from AMD?
We referred to drusen-like features or hyperintense spots in the peripheral retina as observed in our cSLO images from patients without/no history of AMD. Some of them were smaller with well distinct margins and located in the superior quadrant, and scattered along the blood vessels.
Prior studies have identified the Alzheimer’s Aβ protein as a potential activator of the complement cascade in the context of drusen formation, so AMD and AD may share common pathogenic mechanisms. People with Alzheimer’s disease are more likely to have drusen-like spots in their peripheral retinas. However, most patients with AMD do not have Alzheimer’s disease. This is a very controversial area of research, and prospective studies are needed to establish whether drusen and AMD are independent markers of AD/dementia and whether drusen and AMD have an added value in the diagnosis of AD/dementia. A good review on the connections of AMD and AD could be found here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27814598/
Have you been able to use OCT and electrophysiology to determine dementia (such as loss/thinning of certain layers in the retina)?
OCT could be one exciting technology to detect AD/dementia. Many groups have used the OCT modality and observed a reduction of the nerve fiber layer thickness in patients with Alzheimer’s. Also, the OCT-A could be a helpful addition to the analysis as it facilitates the study of retinal vascularity and quantification of vascular perfusion. I am mainly not using OCT because I desire a test option that can be more accessible and ubiquitous. But in general, OCT is a potentially good solution in diagnosing Alzheimer’s once we could standardize the methodology of analysis and robustly verify OCT retinal signatures and differentiate them from signatures observed in other neurodegenerative diseases with similar retinal alterations.
Have you compared your results to amyloid PET scan?
No, we have not used amyloid PET scan data in our pilot studies. Although some study subjects had PET results in their EMRs within two years of recruitment, we have not used amyloid PET data because we designed the studies to develop the multimodal methodology with a minimal research budget, and not all subjects recruited had these data in their EHRs. Amyloid PET imaging is a very invasive, time-consuming, and expensive technology. However, it is one of the current confirmatory biomarkers that need to be used to test the predictive models using retinal features, and our current/future studies include this brain imaging data.
How confident are you about the observations in a larger scale study?
I am highly confident that our preliminary results will benefit from a longitudinal study with larger sample size, and we are already working on it.
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Substance Tables:
The table below lists substances which may be contained within LKC’s RETeval and RETevet products. Substances listed as Type 1 are within permissible levels in one or more of LKC’s products. Substances listed as Type 2 are used in the production of some components used in LKC products and may be present at trace levels, but are typically destroyed during processing.
RETeval and RETevet Devices
Substance | CAS # | Type | Listed as causing: |
Nickel | 7440-02-0 | 1 | Cancer |
Acrylonitrile | 107-13-1 | 2 | |
Ethylbenzine | 100-41-4 | 2 | |
Crystaline Silica | 14808-60-7 | 1 | |
Lead | 7439-92-1 | 1 | Cancer Developmental Toxicity Male Reproductive Toxicity Female Reproductive Toxicity |
Methylene Chloride | 75-09-2 | 2 | Cancer Female Reproductive Toxicity |
Bisphenol A | 80-05-7 | 2 | |
N-Hexane | 110-54-3 | 2 | Male Reproductive Toxicity |